From ry4an@ry4an.org Sat Jun 05 03:13:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: oldenburg-interest@ry4an.org Received: (qmail 26808 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jun 2004 03:13:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 22:13:49 -0500 From: Ry4an Brase To: oldenburg-interest@ry4an.org Message-ID: <20040604221349.A26739@ry4an.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-URL: http://ry4an.org X-GPG-Fingerprint: 4709 D9E9 D368 86FF 7C69 D3EE D9F3 7794 30AD BB9E X-GPG-Key: http://ry4an.org/home/ry4an-key.txt Subject: [Oldenburg] Initial Message Sender: oldenburg-interest-admin@ry4an.org Errors-To: oldenburg-interest-admin@ry4an.org X-BeenThere: oldenburg-interest@ry4an.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.7 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For discussion of a Minneapolis third place List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This message creates the archives. -- Ry4an Brase - http://ry4an.org From ry4an@ry4an.org Sun Jun 13 01:09:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: oldenburg-interest@ry4an.org Received: (qmail 13942 invoked by uid 500); 13 Jun 2004 01:09:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 20:09:01 -0500 From: Ry4an Brase To: oldenburg-interest@ry4an.org Message-ID: <20040612200901.J903@ry4an.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-URL: http://ry4an.org X-GPG-Fingerprint: 4709 D9E9 D368 86FF 7C69 D3EE D9F3 7794 30AD BB9E X-GPG-Key: http://ry4an.org/home/ry4an-key.txt Subject: [Oldenburg] Possible locations Sender: oldenburg-interest-admin@ry4an.org Errors-To: oldenburg-interest-admin@ry4an.org X-BeenThere: oldenburg-interest@ry4an.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.7 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For discussion of a Minneapolis third place List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I've started scouting possible locations in the downtown area. I've not priced any of them and it could be they're all well above what the club could sustain, but you've got to start somewhere. Here's the list: http://ry4an.org/oldenburg/locations/ I'll try to get photos of them sometime soon. Thanks to Bridget for helping on todays location scouting journey. If you've got any addresses you'd like evaluated just contact info and the address here on the list and I'll try calling them. -- Ry4an Brase - http://ry4an.org From jjnine77@yahoo.com Sun Jun 13 05:55:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: oldenburg-interest@ry4an.org Received: (qmail 14734 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 05:55:26 -0000 Received: from web10803.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.130.245) by ry4an.org with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 05:55:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20040613055525.14668.qmail@web10803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.94.215.171] by web10803.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 22:55:25 PDT Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 22:55:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Canine To: oldenburg-interest@ry4an.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Oldenburg] locations... Sender: oldenburg-interest-admin@ry4an.org Errors-To: oldenburg-interest-admin@ry4an.org X-BeenThere: oldenburg-interest@ry4an.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.7 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For discussion of a Minneapolis third place List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: 310 studios is out for a location... I spoke with the guy selling it and the sale is pending. I think it may be better to find out what the monthly revenue would be first. I'm constantly searching through properties and know of some investors that are soon to buy a place in the cities. Combining the resources could be beneficial to everyone. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From ry4an@ry4an.org Mon Jun 14 16:21:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: oldenburg-interest@ry4an.org Received: (qmail 4852 invoked by uid 500); 14 Jun 2004 16:21:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:21:42 -0500 From: Ry4an Brase To: oldenburg-interest@ry4an.org Message-ID: <20040614112142.A903@ry4an.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-URL: http://ry4an.org X-GPG-Fingerprint: 4709 D9E9 D368 86FF 7C69 D3EE D9F3 7794 30AD BB9E X-GPG-Key: http://ry4an.org/home/ry4an-key.txt Subject: [Oldenburg] Location pricing and some new ones Sender: oldenburg-interest-admin@ry4an.org Errors-To: oldenburg-interest-admin@ry4an.org X-BeenThere: oldenburg-interest@ry4an.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.7 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For discussion of a Minneapolis third place List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Welp, I got a call back from Ms. Lux about the space in the Colonial Building (where Moose and Sadies is -- number 23 on http://ry4an.org/oldenburg/locations/) and it's much cheaper than I imagined. It's 719 sq ft -- slightly larger than the size of my bottom floor and $719/mo including all utilities. Apparently $12/sqft means per-year not per-month, so the numbers I've been seeing aren't as scary as I thought. That space has original wood floors and beams and can be sub-divided. The colonial has parking in back to which we may get access as well. Unfortunately it's on the 4th floor and has no windows -- which may very well make it an oven. Perhaps that's something we could deal with as a starter space, but who knows. I asked her about any other units she might have in the same price range and she mentioned two places in the Textile Building (where Pizza Luce is). There's a corner unit (with 2 walls of windows) that's 724 sqft for $775/mo on the 3rd floor (#24) and another unit that's 956 sqft for $1195/mo (negotiable) on the 4th floor. Unfortunately, parking at Luce is ass as we all know. She's mailing me availability sheets on all these. I'm still most excited about #5 on our chart (the one with the Montana coffeehouse in it) and will call them today, but in general I'm encouraged at how reasonable pricing is. I'm gonna aggregate and report the survey numbers soon, so if you haven't filled it out please make sure you do, and feel free to forward the survey location to anyone whose input you think might be representative of potential members even if that specific person isn't likely to join. -- Ry4an Brase - http://ry4an.org From dopp@dopp.net Mon Jun 14 19:54:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: oldenburg-interest@ry4an.org Received: (qmail 10909 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2004 19:54:49 -0000 Received: from dwarf.dopp.net (199.199.210.130) by ry4an.org with SMTP; 14 Jun 2004 19:54:49 -0000 Received: by dwarf.dopp.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DDBB951; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:54:48 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:54:48 -0500 From: Gabe Turner To: oldenburg-interest@ry4an.org Subject: Re: [Oldenburg] Location pricing and some new ones Message-ID: <20040614195448.GB82047@dwarf.dopp.net> References: <20040614112142.A903@ry4an.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040614112142.A903@ry4an.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: oldenburg-interest-admin@ry4an.org Errors-To: oldenburg-interest-admin@ry4an.org X-BeenThere: oldenburg-interest@ry4an.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.7 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For discussion of a Minneapolis third place List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 11:21:42AM -0500, Ry4an Brase wrote: [snip] > > I asked her about any other units she might have in the same price range > and she mentioned two places in the Textile Building (where Pizza Luce > is). There's a corner unit (with 2 walls of windows) that's 724 sqft > for $775/mo on the 3rd floor (#24) and another unit that's 956 sqft for > $1195/mo (negotiable) on the 4th floor. Unfortunately, parking at Luce > is ass as we all know. She's mailing me availability sheets on all > these. I dunno, parking isn't so bad near Luce. After 4pm (IIRC), you can park in that ramp on 2nd for only $3. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner dopp at dopp dot net From ry4an@ry4an.org Wed Jun 16 06:40:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: oldenburg-interest@ry4an.org Received: (qmail 3434 invoked by uid 500); 16 Jun 2004 06:40:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:40:41 -0500 From: Ry4an Brase To: oldenburg-interest@ry4an.org Message-ID: <20040616014040.B903@ry4an.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-URL: http://ry4an.org X-GPG-Fingerprint: 4709 D9E9 D368 86FF 7C69 D3EE D9F3 7794 30AD BB9E X-GPG-Key: http://ry4an.org/home/ry4an-key.txt Subject: [Oldenburg] photos added Sender: oldenburg-interest-admin@ry4an.org Errors-To: oldenburg-interest-admin@ry4an.org X-BeenThere: oldenburg-interest@ry4an.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.7 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For discussion of a Minneapolis third place List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Thanks to the g7 folks we've got photos of most of the prospective locations thus far. They're available on the locations page: http://ry4an.org/oldenburg/locations/ or directly in a gallery of their own: http://ry4an.org/pictures/oldenburg -- Ry4an Brase - http://ry4an.org From lduhon@mac.com Thu Jun 17 01:31:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: oldenburg-interest@ry4an.org Received: (qmail 8549 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2004 01:31:36 -0000 Received: from smtpout.mac.com (17.250.248.45) by ry4an.org with SMTP; 17 Jun 2004 01:31:36 -0000 Received: from mac.com (smtpin02-en2 [10.13.10.147]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id i5H1VYGJ017438; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (c-24-245-0-53.mn.client2.attbi.com [24.245.0.53]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin02/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id i5H1VXE0025468; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:31:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20040616014040.B903@ry4an.org> References: <20040616014040.B903@ry4an.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1055CC61-BFFE-11D8-9442-000A95BA4082@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: oldenburg-interest@ry4an.org From: Louis Duhon Subject: Re: [Oldenburg] photos added Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:31:32 -0500 To: Ry4an Brase X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Sender: oldenburg-interest-admin@ry4an.org Errors-To: oldenburg-interest-admin@ry4an.org X-BeenThere: oldenburg-interest@ry4an.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.7 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For discussion of a Minneapolis third place List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: The Designer's Guild Building always has spaces available as well, and they have their own garage. -Louis On Jun 16, 2004, at 1:40 AM, Ry4an Brase wrote: > Thanks to the g7 folks we've got photos of most of the prospective > locations thus far. They're available on the locations page: > > http://ry4an.org/oldenburg/locations/ > > or directly in a gallery of their own: > > http://ry4an.org/pictures/oldenburg > > -- > Ry4an Brase - http://ry4an.org > _______________________________________________ > Oldenburg-Interest mailing list > Oldenburg-Interest@ry4an.org > http://ry4an.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/oldenburg-interest > From ry4an@ry4an.org Mon Jul 19 19:31:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: oldenburg-interest@ry4an.org Received: (qmail 9246 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2004 19:31:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO toohey.ry4an.org) (192.168.0.3) by ry4an.org with SMTP; 19 Jul 2004 19:31:30 -0000 Received: from toohey.ry4an.org (toohey.ry4an.org [127.0.0.1]) by toohey.ry4an.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6JJUL85013871 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:30:21 -0500 Received: (from ry4an@localhost) by toohey.ry4an.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i6JJULBv013870 for oldenburg-interest@ry4an.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:30:21 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:30:21 -0500 From: Ry4an Brase To: oldenburg-interest@ry4an.org Message-ID: <20040719193020.GH11903@ry4an.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-URL: http://ry4an.org X-GPG-Fingerprint: 4709 D9E9 D368 86FF 7C69 D3EE D9F3 7794 30AD BB9E X-GPG-Key: http://ry4an.org/home/ry4an-key.txt Subject: [Oldenburg] An article on the private clubs on San Francisco Sender: oldenburg-interest-admin@ry4an.org Errors-To: oldenburg-interest-admin@ry4an.org X-BeenThere: oldenburg-interest@ry4an.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.7 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For discussion of a Minneapolis third place List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Here's an article about the four most exclusive clubs of San Francisco. Not that this is what we're trying to do or anything, but it's an interesting read: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/07/18/MNGH57NJL51.DTL -- Ry4an Brase - http://ry4an.org From ry4an@ry4an.org Sun Dec 19 08:20:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: oldenburg-interest@ry4an.org Received: (qmail 3796 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2004 08:20:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO toohey.ry4an.org) (192.168.0.3) by ry4an.org with SMTP; 19 Dec 2004 08:20:42 -0000 Received: from toohey.ry4an.org (toohey.ry4an.org [127.0.0.1]) by toohey.ry4an.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBJ8JX2h006671 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 02:19:33 -0600 Received: (from ry4an@localhost) by toohey.ry4an.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iBJ8JXOi006670 for oldenburg-interest@ry4an.org; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 02:19:33 -0600 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 02:19:33 -0600 From: Ry4an Brase To: oldenburg-interest@ry4an.org Message-ID: <20041219081932.GH3292@ry4an.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-URL: http://ry4an.org X-GPG-Fingerprint: 4709 D9E9 D368 86FF 7C69 D3EE D9F3 7794 30AD BB9E X-GPG-Key: http://ry4an.org/home/ry4an-key.txt Subject: [Oldenburg] Survey Results Posted Sender: oldenburg-interest-admin@ry4an.org Errors-To: oldenburg-interest-admin@ry4an.org X-BeenThere: oldenburg-interest@ry4an.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.7 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For discussion of a Minneapolis third place List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I went ahead and aggregated the survey results. They can be viewed at: http://ry4an.org/oldenburg/survey/ Sadly, I've been forced to conclude that there's just no way to start something like this without a good year's worth of operating expenses in the bank. You need members to gather dues, need dues to open the club, and need the club to gather members. I still believe the basic idea is tenable, and that operating finances wouldn't be out of line with expected revenues, but barring a grant of some sort I just don't see a way to start this. -- Ry4an Brase - http://ry4an.org/unblog/